Waterboarding is Torture?
April 21st 2009 17:57
Why does everyone think that waterboarding is torture? Waterboarding is a calm way to get information if you compare the US technics vs other countries technics. The US doesn't cut fingers off, rip fingernails out or use electricity to get info; they use waterboarding. These terror suspects are so intranced in their religion that asking them to please tell us typically doesn't work. How else are we supose to get information from these terror suspects?
Lets just set them up in a nice house and ask them very nicely. Yes I think that would work. People that think watboarding is torture needs to take a look or open their eyes to the ways of other countries technics. The people that don't want to interrogate or what some people call torture are the ones that ask why terror attacks happen when they do. Then those very same people get upset at the government for not doing more.
MAKE UP YOUR MIND!!!!! Either you want to get the information or you don't, it's that simple. If we don't get the information that we need then terror attacks happen. So be happy that we are able to get the information that saves our asses all the time. GOOD DAY!!!!!!!!!!!
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Comment by Morgan Bell
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it is psychological torture, just like russian roulet, or running through a field of landmines. or any other mind game where you fear your life
it seems to me that even when they torture these people they still dont get any information
id much prefer to see the authorities collecting evidence before they pick people up, and simply holding them until they go to trial
Comment by RubySoho
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Comment by Heath
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I agree with collecting evidence first...that is a must but we also have to get information that is crucial to saving lives of hundreds even thousands of people.
I am not saying that America should do what we do but radical people with death wishes give us no choice. Should America or any other country for that matter just give a blind eye when some radical has information that would save hundreds. Should any country just let someone go just because they don't want to tell what they are planning? I believe some people that have gone over the edge and give the rest of us no choice but to resort to those practices of information gathering. I also believe that if we KNOW that radicals are hiding vital information; we should TRY to get that information if there is a chance that we can save hundreds.
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Comment by Mau-Medellin
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What sort of policies dose the US govt have in place, as in, under what circumstances are they allowed to employ waterboarding as an interrogation technique?
Interesting enough, the UN describe waterboarding as a form a torture... and here's some interesting info from wiki:
All nations that are signatory to the United Nations Convention Against Torture have agreed they are subject to the explicit prohibition on torture under any condition. This was affirmed by Saadi v. Italy in which the European Court of Human Rights, on February 28, 2008, upheld the absolute nature of the torture ban by ruling that international law permits no exceptions to it.[123][124] The treaty states "No exceptional circumstances whatsoever, whether a state of war or a threat of war, internal political instability or any other public emergency, may be invoked as a justification of torture".[125] Additionally, signatories of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights are bound to Article 5, which states, "No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment".[126] Many signatories of the convention have made specific declarations and reservations regarding the interpretation of the term "torture" and restricted the jurisdiction of its enforcement.[127] However, UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, Louise Arbour, stated on the subject "I would have no problems with describing this practice (waterboarding) as falling under the prohibition of torture", and that violators of the UN Convention Against Torture should be prosecuted under the principle of universal jurisdiction.[128]
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Comment by JohnDoe
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Comment by Andrew Biviano
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I understand completely your reasoning, because in some situations there are good arguments that the ends justify the means. I watch "24" and they do a good job thinking up such scenarios. I know that if my child's life depended on me torturing a bad guy I could probably do it. But we expect our government to be above such personal emotions. For instance, we can all understand the desire for vigilante justice, and would feel for someone who killed the person who murdered a family member. But this retributive murder is still a crime, because we have decided collectively that we are better than that, and give fair trials and proportinal punishments instead. The same moderation is needed here.
So, the problem I see is in making "the ends justify the means" a sweeping national policy. It shows a lack of effort to even try a better technique, and an abandonment of principle -- not just in those rare "24" moments, but rather a global and permanent abandonment. And this isn't like on TV where the clock is ticking and we need the information in the next five minutes, we're talking about hundreds of times over months and months. We have to draw a line where we are better than them, and I think this is it.
Comment by Heath
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Yes; we as a society hold ourselves to a higher standard but people that hold themselves to a lower standard don't typically abide to our standards(developed countries).
I don't think that sleep deprivation or jail time would suffice in getting the information we would need from those individuals. Thus giving us no choice AFTER safer or more socially acceptable means don't work. Maybe those methods don't always work because the individual is strong or has been through a lot more just to prepare themselves for that type of interrogation. Remember these individuals are rugged and their minds are warped to begin with.
Comment by Mountain Fog
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QUOTE ME NO QUOTES!
oh that's right, Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld all said, (and altered US law to make it appear legal) that no one was tortured.... okay, then let us waterboard them all and find out what they think..
Torture, or to use their euphemism of "enhanced interrogation techniques", will always get a result, but not necessarily the truth.
It is much more likely to get the answers the torturers are wanting, and again, that is not necessarily the truth....the longer the torture sessions the more lies that will be agreed to...it worked very well for the Catholic Inquistions... they burnt a lot of "witches" and "heretics" at the stake.....
cheers
fog